He ratted me out and we got suspended. They just made another label and stuck it on there but it kept alive the momentum while they were sorting things out. People were blown away with what we were playing. BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. They were that blown away. ET: Did Phil Gernhard have permission from Charles Schulz to use Snoopy? I said who is that, God? JOHN: Phil Gernhard had promised us he would put a regular song out, which he did with Baby Lets Wait. Front, seated on drums, Chris Nunley. JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! The others, except for Barry, were all in college at that time. CHRIS: (in German accent) Attention! Probably too much heart, you can hear him literally crying in that song! Scenes from the "Snoopy vs The Red Baron" video filmed at the St. Petersburg Executive Airport and included in the 1968 television special, "The Fabulous Funnies". My mother thought I was on drugs! I wasnt about to just let them throw me on the ground so I went to enlist and I cut all my hair off, I wasnt going to let them do that either. It held forty-five thousand people and the stage revolved. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! The crowd loved it, they thought it was part of the show! ET: I noticed that the track listing is left off the album cover. We were aware of Billy Taylor from playing out at Johnsons Beach and we knew what he was capable of. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. ET: Did you make any television appearances in support of the single? When we got the album done and they listed the songs, Charles Schulz asked us not to include that one. It was booming through the riser I was on. Probably too much heart, you can hear him literally crying in that song! We had record companies calling, Gernhard was all excited and of course, we were too. We played it for him and he said play it again, I kind of like that. We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. Ironically, after I had quit the band in 1969, by 1970 I was playing piano in the honky tonk saloon at Six Gun Territory for two and a half years while I finished up college. After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! Gernhard came out to hear it and we figured he wont like it, hell leave us alone! Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. We had a full orchestra. I think thats what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. He was just a wonderful guy, just warm and personal. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! We didnt get his blessings. The pad had the words to Snoopy vs. BILL: After Snoopys Christmas, the follow up was I Say Love which was an original song. ET: Being asked to join The Royal Guardsmen was obviously more attractive than starting with a new group like The Griffins. From what I understand, they stamped up a new title of Squeaky vs. the Black Knight in Canada. CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. We were doing the English stuff and hoping to write songs in that genre, then here comes Snoopy! BILLY: We had started to get some royalty checks by this point and we knew they were going to want a single so we went along with it. He ratted me out and we got suspended. ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanuts Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. We got a pretty good response and so we got asked back the next time they had one of these local band shows. Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. The others, except for Barry, were all in college at that time. We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. BILL: Yes, they followed up Return with Airplane Song which was another novelty! Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. I think thats what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didnt move for two hours! ET: Did you do any touring in support of Snoopy Vs. We had already released Baby Lets Wait and Leaving Me so the only thing we had left that we recorded was that. BILLY: He had independently contracted with them to give them first refusal I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. BILLY: Absolutely, we did Sunshine of Your Love, Purple Haze and lots of Procol Harum. They just made another label and stuck it on there but it kept alive the momentum while they were sorting things out. It was used for talk shows and to record radio jingles. BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. BILL: He was upset but he got over it quickly. ''The Royal Guardsmen'' are a rock music band from Ocala, Florida, a sextet originally composed of Bill Balough (bass guitar), John Burdett (drums), Chris Nunley (vocals), Tom Richards (guitar), Billy Taylor (organ), and Barry Winslow (vocals/guitar). We were tired, our eyes were puffy and we were just worn out. I think thats what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. Gernhard came out to hear it and we figured he wont like it, hell leave us alone! JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! People were blown away with what we were playing. They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! He said hi, my name is Phil Gernhard and Im a record producer. ET: Did you make any television appearances in support of the single? The voice then said to you, yes, dont touch the microphone! It was done after the record had already taken off. Eventually our attitude did get sour. We decided we needed to replace him and so we found Tom Richards in March of 1966. We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. The true image kept asserting itself. Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? ET: How close was this to the final version? If you listen closely, Chris does a great vocal on it. We played the Cow Palace in San Francisco with Jefferson Airplane. I knew what it was but I was afraid to tell them! I remember them saying they were getting the sound of my flip flops in the recording as I ran down the bells but I didnt think anyone would be able to hear it. BILLY: That was done at Six Gun Territory. I was only seventeen and I didnt know what was going to happen if I told them I was the one making that noise! We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! Ricardo Montalban was the co-host. ET: Well at least that one didnt have the word Snoopy in it! ET: So by June of 1966 the lineup for The Royal Guardsmen was finalized. The Kingsmen had a hit with Jolly Green Giant and the Sam the Sham had Little Red Riding Hood. Probably too much heart, you can hear him literally crying in that song! CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. BILL: We didnt want to do any more novelty type tunes. I think a lot of that has to do with it being a 180 degree departure from Snoopy. They were that blown away. We got called into the Principals office one day and were told you cant stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or well throw you out. BILLY: We had started to get some royalty checks by this point and we knew they were going to want a single so we went along with it. ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? ET: How close was this to the final version? BILL: Yes, they followed up Return with Airplane Song which was another novelty! I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldnt have used if I hadnt mentioned I would like to do that. CHRIS: We put together this kind of country, hokey-sounding thing and ran through it a couple of times. Were you pushing for something else? The Kingsmen had a hit with Jolly Green Giant and the Sam the Sham had Little Red Riding Hood. We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. The audience didnt accept it though because it wasnt what they thought of as The Royal Guardsmen. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanuts Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. I knew what it was but I was afraid to tell them! I saw this blue-white light just arc as it shorted out on my lip! BILLY: We did do a four or five week tour right around Christmas time though but it was in between recording the album. CHRIS: It was pretty close but it was just the lyrics. We had a full orchestra. BARRY: I had turned eighteen already and I was in the draft. They just made another label and stuck it on there but it kept alive the momentum while they were sorting things out. When we got the album done and they listed the songs, Charles Schulz asked us not to include that one. We did the Summer Shower of Stars tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. I suspect Charles Schulz didnt want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. I played the timpani and a cymbal and put in a drum solo. We got a pretty good response and so we got asked back the next time they had one of these local band shows. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! I suspect Charles Schulz didnt want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. Charles looked at it but never sent a response on whether we could do this or not. I was attending the University of Florida at the time, and would come home on the weekends. Chris had the vocals for the Jagger and Burdon styles and Barry had the vocals for the Beatles. BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. On The Return of the Red Baron we had him saying I hate that little dog Snoopy! Barry Winslow: I auditioned for Bill and John when they were still The Posmen and I thought I was going to like these guys right off the bat because they spell like I do! JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. We were tired, our eyes were puffy and we were just worn out. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. How did that photo shoot come about? You had a choice between French, Latin, or German, ironically no Spanish then, and I chose German. ET: Did you play different tracks live than what was on the albums? ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanuts Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. I think I was the only one in the group who didnt play drums. We played the Cow Palace in San Francisco with Jefferson Airplane. Airplane Song,Down Behind The Lines,It's Sopwith Camel Time,So Right,Airplane Song,It Kinda Looks Like Christmas.The Royal Guardsmen from Ocala, FL -- Bill Balough (bass), John Burdette (drums), Chris Nunley (vocals), Tom Richards (guitar), Billy Taylor … The A and B sides of that single were clearly intended for two different audiences. CHRIS: We got a good response to the shows. We both went and got hair cuts but we saved our hair and stuffed it in the schools mail box! They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. BARRY: I had turned eighteen already and I was in the draft. ET: The Return of the Red Baron is probably your most personal album but neither it nor the single did as well as the first ones. It held forty-five thousand people and the stage revolved. BILL: It was the only thing we had left in the can! Then and now across a span of 40 years, left to right (both pics): Billy Taylor, Bill Balogh, Chris Nunley. Barry Winslow (vocals/guitar), Schulz eventually gave his consent, they got a pretty healthy chunk of money, and we moved right on down the road. BILL: Get the album done! I was actually asked to audition for The Guardsmen along with a couple of other people. BARRY: I had turned eighteen already and I was in the draft. They were that blown away. Billy Taylor: Ironically, Chriss dad was my family doctor so I knew the Nunley family. ET: Did you play different tracks live than what was on the albums? BILL: It was the only thing we had left in the can! I saw this blue-white light just arc as it shorted out on my lip! ET: Did you make any television appearances in support of the single? That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. When Charles Schulz started drawing Snoopy on his doghouse yelling Curse you, Red Baron, Phil went to Dick and said why dont you put that in the song you wrote about the Red Baron and make it a novelty thing? CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. The true image kept asserting itself. JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! BILLY: I think thats what kept us going. CHRIS: We got a good response to the shows. ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? We played the Cow Palace in San Francisco with Jefferson Airplane. ET: I noticed that the track listing is left off the album cover. It was booming through the riser I was on. It wasnt against each other it was just the whole business. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! ET: How close was that version to the one that ended up on Laurie Records? What was the reaction of the record company? They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. Chris had the vocals for the Jagger and Burdon styles and Barry had the vocals for the Beatles. He was just a wonderful guy, just warm and personal. ET: Did Phil Gernhard have permission from Charles Schulz to use Snoopy? Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. Most of us were still in high school and couldnt have long hair so they had us wear wigs. I suspect Charles Schulz didnt want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. An updated version is "Snoopy vs Osama" which has received a lot of playing time on stations across America. We were aware of Billy Taylor from playing out at Johnsons Beach and we knew what he was capable of. They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. People were blown away with what we were playing. ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? We figured nobody was ever going to hear it any way! BILLY: Well we did have the name for the group picked out so we felt we had come a long way! We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didnt move for two hours! We played with the Beach Boys in Seattle. Ironically, after I had quit the band in 1969, by 1970 I was playing piano in the honky tonk saloon at Six Gun Territory for two and a half years while I finished up college. We figured nobody was ever going to hear it any way! Everyone had the same mindset, lets cover the record to a tee with total quality. They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. Were you pushing for something else? How did that photo shoot come about? Even though we had a partition behind us it was still odd. JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! Most of us were still in high school and couldnt have long hair so they had us wear wigs. That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. That came from Gernhard and his buddy, Johnny McCullough. I had fun with that thing! I think I was the only one in the group who didnt play drums. I was into the sound effects and finding things to hit that would make neat noises! ET: Pardon my lack of fluency in German, but what exactly does the intro translate to? We did the Summer Shower of Stars tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. JOHN: Thats because they had just made us get it cut! BARRY: Phil sent a copy of the record and a letter to Charles Schulz. JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. Probably too much heart, you can hear him literally crying in that song! We played Washington State, Oregon, LA, and San Francisco. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. The crowd loved it, they thought it was part of the show! We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. BILL: For our first session, we did Baby Lets Wait, we did the blues song I Needed You, a song Tom wrote called He Isnt Here, and Leaving Me. ET: Pardon my lack of fluency in German, but what exactly does the intro translate to? Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. BARRY: I had a ball with the Christmas record. ET: The Return of the Red Baron is probably your most personal album but neither it nor the single did as well as the first ones. JOHN: Phil Gernhard had promised us he would put a regular song out, which he did with Baby Lets Wait. Were trying to get this song cut and were showing it to a lot of local bands to see who comes up with the best treatment. When we got the album done and they listed the songs, Charles Schulz asked us not to include that one. The voice then said to you, yes, dont touch the microphone! It didnt go so then he came back and said now you have to do Snoopy. I have to tell you, there are those that consider I Needed You to be one of the worst records of all time! He ratted me out and we got suspended. Chris Nunley: Yes, the studio was a little two track hole in the wall. ET: There could not have been much time between when you recorded the song and when they released it because it was on top of the charts already in November of 1966. I was attending the University of Florida at the time, and would come home on the weekends. I saw this blue-white light just arc as it shorted out on my lip! Eventually our attitude did get sour. BARRY: It sounds just about like the demo did except it was embellished in the studio. Ricardo Montalban was the co-host. They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. We got called into the Principals office one day and were told you cant stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or well throw you out. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? ET: How much input did you have into the tracks that went on the album? They had great harmony together. Was our way of dealing with the whole school who had Red hair so they had made. 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